Not a Treatment Plan, Not a Protocol, A Model

Often I have had to explain to correspondents that I do not have a protocol, nor a treatment plan. If you do exactly what I did for my last remission, it may not work for you. An analogy may help,

  • Protocol: Assemble a kit house (aka see Ikea Flat Pack Shelter for an example)
  • Treatment Plan: Buy a house plan and hand it to a builder to build.
  • Model: Describe what you need in the house — how many bathrooms, bedrooms, living areas  (Media room, internal outdoor plaza) etc and then figure out how to make it so.

Every person’s microbiome is unique when they were healthy, more unique than their DNA!  When they become sick with CFS, it changes in unique ways. The general pattern appears similar (three families of bacteria are overgrown, three families are greatly reduced from healthy people’s). Most infections that MDs treat are single bacteria strain or single virus.We are talking about dealing with 6 families (each family may contain dozens of species, each species may contain hundreds of strains).  Some strains may be resistant to certain antibiotics — in other cases, the entire family is resistant to certain antibiotics.

The model suggests things to try — whether any item works for you, cannot be determined. If it does not, you just move along to the next suggestion. Using the model, we can estimate the probability that certain antibiotics families may help (or hurt) as well as certain herb/spices may help (or hurt). Similarly for probiotics, some can hurt, some can help and some may do nothing.  These are not certainties, just probabilities to increase the odds of a remission.

Patient Examples

I do not like to get involved with patients. I am not a medical professional. All education received from this site should be reviewed with a knowledgeable medical professional before starting.  Some readers do ask for help and forward very deep and comprehensive medical records. I will do 1-2 reviews a month, and make suggestions (to be reviewed by their medical professionals!!). Often, these correspondences reveal issues that cognitively impaired CFSers have trouble with (no brain to research) etc. This is compounded by the fact that the model while simple to understand, is very complex to derive treatment paths from. Most CFSers would prefer a protocol to blindly follow.

With that said, I will look at a CFS patient in Spain and put together suggestions with explanations of why for them. Spanish MDs seem friendlier to prescribing some items to CFSers than US MD’s.

Patient has known Hypoperfusion

Hypoperfusion is inadequate supply of oxygen (and nutrients) to body organs. This is seen in some 80-90% of CFS patients when a SPECT scan is done. It was seen in mine, it is seen in others. Dr. Daniel Amen (seen on PBS often) does a nice short summary (one of my daughters had her SPECT done by him – with over 60% of the brain showing hypoperfusion). Hypoperfusion and hypoxia (altitude sickness due to low oxygen) are related in symptoms.

The cause of this hypoperfusion is probably hypercoagulation (thick blood – and thus slow moving, hence less oxygen delivered) and fibrin (thin threads that can form, often they will block or slow the movement of red blood cells, and is suspected to be the cause of odd looking red blood cells reported from New Zealand).

My number #1 recommendation is a heparin-piracetam cocktail! Heparin is the body’s natural anticoagulant (thus you are treating hypercoagulation naturally). Normally it is injected, but it can also be done sublingual (under the tongue) [2004]

For other items see  Fibrinolytics page.

NOTE: These impacts brain fog, you may be feeling better — do not assume that your physical restrictions are also fixed. Do NOT EXERCISE as a result, you will just be setting yourself up for a crash!

What to do first?

Working with another Spanish CFS patient, their main concern was gut issue. This was a good starting point, it is a small target that is easy to monitor (number of movements, types of movements, etc) and thus provide concrete object monitoring.  That patient has been very happy with the improvement to date, we have more to do — but their family have seen the change and are now supportive of continuing.

This patient wanted to fix the microbiome first when I asked what symptom. The patient want’s big steps instead of small steps like the other patient. A small step approach is best, but the personality  type that often gets CFS are often addicted to big-steps.

First Step For the fast pace person

Heparin and piracetam can be done at the same time with everything below. There is no know interactions. Hence, they need to get a heparin prescription. Heparin dosage will be as set by their MD. For piracetam,  I would suggest 1600 mg, 1 hr before the heparin is done sublingual (based on absorption time/half life of piracetam). ALA may also be taken at the same time.

The Path to Herx Pugatorio!

The first item would be a prescription for minocycline (? 2-4 weeks). This will also help with brain fog. It is well documented as a neuroprotector. IF there is no herx, then add in (slowly) bromelain, serrapetase, lumbrokinease and nattokinease. All of these items do two things:

  • Increases penetration of minocycline into tissue by up to 10x
  • Dissolve fibrin (thus improves blood flow).

I cannot caution enough that they need to be slowly introduced at a very low dosage and slowly work up. The herx can be sudden and massive. Taking EDTA and/or NAC with the minocycline will also increase herx. Both EDTA and NAC are biofilm breakers and thus make the minocycline more effective against the family of bacteria that this targets.

Concurrent (at the same time) as the above, take the following probiotics (adding one every 3 days unless a major herx occurs):

These appear not to be significantly impacted by minocycline. The hope is that they will fill up the microbiome space of the bacteria killed by minocycline.

Once the herx has stopped from minocycline  (and you have added all of the items to increase herx), then it is time to stop the minocycline and switch to herbs.  Keep taking the 3 probiotics cited above.

  • Get fresh Thyme, grind it and pack  it into “00” capsules. slowly work up to 6-8 per day
  • Get fresh Oregano, grind it and pack  it into “00” capsules. slowly work up to 6-8 per day
  • Add 6-8 capsules of Neem slowly
  • Add 6-8 capsules of Tulsi slowly
  • Add 6-8 capsules of Olive Leaf slowly
  • Get some Mastic Gum for chewing (I buy mine from Greece) and start chewing

I would suggest you stop EDTA, NAC, Bromelain, etc when you switch and then slowly add them back in.

  • 1500 – 2000 mg of Vitamin B1 per day. 1500 mg is the threshold for improvement. Lower dosages may have no results. – changes should occur with in 7 days, per study
  • 1 l of Gerolsteiner a day (split over meals) – provides easily absorbed minerals and should change microbiota.
  • 15,000-20000 IU of Vitamin D3. This level will cause improvement over a few months

 

At this point, we need to take stock of what symptoms remain. It will likely be time to add additional probiotics (Mutaflor, etc). There probiotics are likely to be killed off by some of the above herbs, so we wait.

 

 

 

Review of Probiotics from EU and Canada

See Cost per Billion CFU Post for relative pricing. Except for specialized strains that have been well tested, it is impossible to be objective on the benefit of one product over the other. The amount of viable Billion CFU is most meaningful (IMHO) given the absence of real information….

Walmart – Canada

I was in  Canada today and dropped by Walmart. The reason is that I have noticed some brands of probiotics there that I have not seen elsewhere. There were several there today, unlike many brands — the strains were listed.

These probiotics are from WN Pharmaceuticals, Coquitlam, BC Canada,

Bifidobacterium BB536

  • Available via Amazon.Ca, does not require refrigeration.
  • 100%, 5 Billion CFU . 44 Pub Med articles  $5.00 Canadian  15 capsules. Cost per BCFU:  $0.05 US
    • “Supplementation with BB536 was well tolerated and reduced ulcerative colitis scores,” [2016]
    • “showed significantly increased fecal levels of pimelate, a precursor of biotin, and butyrate in the BB536-HGM group … the proportion of Eubacterium rectale, a butyrate producer, was significantly higher in the BB536-HGM group” [2015]
    • ” B. longum BB536 supplementation significantly reduced total cholesterol, liver lipid deposition and adipocyte size, and positively affected liver and kidney function. These effects were significantly increased in the presence of inulin and M. pajang fibrous polysaccharides.” [2015]
    • BB536 has positive effects on establishing a healthy intestinal microbiota early in life, and it also plays an important role in improving the Th1 immune response.” [2015]
    • ” supplementation of bifidobacteria is effective in primary preventing allergic diseases.” [2014]
    • BB536 ingestion modulated the intestinal environment and may have improved the health care of elderly patients receiving enteral feeding.” [2013]
    • ” groups fed a cholesterol-enriched diet supplemented with yoghurt containing… B. longum BB536 had significantly lower plasma total cholesterol (TC), low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, very-low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol… faecal excretion of bile acids was markedly increased in the rats fed the yoghurt containing …B. longum BB536 ” [2012]
    • “B. longum BB536 and L. rhamnosus HN001 used in combination show no antagonism to each other” [2015]
    • Oral administration of Bifidobacterium longum ameliorates influenza virus infection in mice. [2011]
    • Oral administration of Bifidobacterium longum prevents gut-derived Pseudomonas aeruginosa sepsis in mice. [2008]
    • In 2013, Carrie, a readed commented ” I have used BB536–Bifidobacterium longum with great results.”

    • Recommendation: BUY – good price, good benefits

Complete Probiotic Multi Strain

This is available via SwansonVitamins.com and Amazon.Ca does not require refrigeration, $14 for 50 capsules, 5 BCFU – Cost per BCFU $0.06

  • Lactobacillus casei 1.5 BCFU
  • Lactobacillus rhamnosus 1.25 BCFU
  • Bifidobacterium breve 0.75 BCFU
  • Bifidobacterium longum 0.75 BCFU
  • Lactobacillus acidophilus 0.75 BCFU

Recommendation: The first 4 are all good ones, and the cost per BCFU is good. Buy.

Probiotic 30 Billion

  • 30 Capsules for $15.00 Cost per BCFU $0.016 
  • Amazon.ca sells
  • Containing the following:
    • L. Casei (HA-108) 5.88 BCFU – Udo: 0.75)
    • B. Breve (HA-129) 4.5 BCFU
    • B Longum (HA-135) 4.5 BCFU
    • L Rhamnosus (HA-111) 4.5 BCFU – Udo 6.25
    • L. Acidophilis (HA-122) 4.2 BCFU
    • L. Plantarium (HA-119) 4.2 BCFU
    • L.Rhamnosus (HA-500) 2.1 BCFU
    • L. Helveticus (HA-501) 0.4 BCFU
    • Many of the strains are in Udo’s Choice Super 8 Plus Probiotic — but the ratios are different.  What caught my eye was that the dominate one was L.Casei and L. Acidphilis was a lot lower then other mixtures. These strains are available to manufacturers such as Lallemand Health Solutions; with firms mixing their own ratios.

European Probiotics

In Europe, probiotics are actually more challenging to get than in the US. Added to the problem of finding is also much higher costs.

Colonease Plus

  • 23,80 euros  PD 19,20 euros, £10.99
  • 4 BCFU of Lactobacillus acidophilus, Bifidobacterium lactis & Lactobacillus bulgaricus
  • Recommendation: Do Not Use. Acidophilus is the main bacteria and should be avoided

Prolife Forte  Naturlife

  • 18,74 euros PD 15,30 euros Cost per B CFU: $0.35
  • 2 BCFU Bacillus coagulans MTCC 5260 AKA Unique IS-2 AKA ATCC PTA-11748 
    • 2011 Paper, 2014 FDA Filing
      • ” was found to be sensitive to majority of antibiotics tested with the exceptions of Bacitracin, Colistin, Methicilin and Metranidazole and Streptomycin, while intermediate for Clindamycin, Doxycycline, Erythromycin, Penicillin and Tetracycline. “
      • “were slight reductions in total cholesterol (11%) and LDL (0.8%), whereas an increase in HDL cholesterol levels (3.6%) was noted. “
      • ” 80% of the probiotic group subjects showed significant positive response as revealed by reduction of vaginosis symptoms as compared to the control group which exhibited reduction in 45% subjects only. ” Clinical Study of Bacillus coagulans Unique IS-2 (ATCC PTA-11748) in the Treatment of Patients with Bacterial Vaginosis. [2012]
      • “Treatment with B. coagulans Unique IS2 decreased mean values for duration of diarrhea, frequency of defecation, and abdominal pain, while consistency of stool improved. “
  • Recommendation: Secondary list – has microbiome altering behavior

Proflora Max

  • 19,40 euros 16,20 euros, 45 capsules – cost per BCFU: $0.36
  • 1 BCFU containing
    • Bifldobacterium infantis ,
    • Bifldobacterium lactis,
    • Bifldobacterium longum,
    • Enterococcus Faecium,
    • Lactobacillus Acidophilus
    • Lactobacillus Casei
    • Lactobacillus Salivarius,
    • Lactobacillus Plantarum
    • Lactobacillus Lactis
  • Recommendation: Cost per BCFU is high, not the best use of funds

Acidophilus Nature Plus

  • 18,5 euros, $9   90 capsule of 40 million cells, Cost per BCFU $2.77
  • Recommendation: NO NO NO — This is only Lactobacillus Acidophilus — the bacteria to AVOID. Cost per BCFU is VERY high.

Acidophilus Avanzado Solgar

  • $35 for 120 capsules. Cost per BCFU $0.20
  • Contains:
    • L. Acidophilus LA-5, 0.3 BCFU
    • L. Rhamnosus GG, LGG 0.3 BCFU
    • L. Paracasei, L.Casei 431  0.3 BCFU
    • B. Lactis BB-12 0.3 BCFU
    • S. Therophilus TH-4 0.3 BCFU
  • Recommendation: Acceptable if there are problems getting other probiotics.

Nature Plus Tri dophilus

  • 3 BCFU, 60 Capsules, $17, Cost per BCFU $0.09
  • Contains:
    • Lactobacillus acidophilus (2 billion viable cells**)
    • Bifidobacterium longum & Bifidobacterium bifidum (250 million viable cells**)
    • Enterococcus faecalis (750 million viable cells**)
  • Recommendation: Mainly L. Acidophilus which we wish to avoid.

Chronic Lyme – A review

In my last post, I raised the question whether chronic Lyme is often a false positive to re-activated EBV and/or CMV and/or other Herpes virus (due to microbiome shifts). I beleive that Post Infection Fatigue Syndrome is a better approach for treatment success. It is a question that needs to be asked if you have a chronic Lyme diagnosis.

  • “False-positive results of serological tests for Lyme disease have been reported in cases of recent primary infection with varicella-zoster virus [1,2], Epstein-Barr virus [3,4], and cytomegalovirus [3]. We report the first association of false-positive results of serological testing for Lyme disease with infection due to another of the herpesviruses, herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 2.” [2005]

Reviewing PubMed, I found the following for your consideration

  • “Post-treatment Lyme disease symptoms (PTLDS) and myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS) have several clinical features in common, including fatigue, musculoskeletal pain, and cognitive difficulties (Gaudino et al., 1997). Immunologic mechanisms have been suspected to play a role in both PTLDS and ME/CFS. However, biomarkers for the two conditions are currently lacking, creating a barrier to better understand them.” [2015]
  • Living in Limbo: Contested Narratives of Patients With Chronic Symptoms Following Lyme Disease. [2015]
  • “Six months after completion of therapy, Lyme disease patients were found to have 31 to 60% of their pathways in common with three different immune-mediated chronic diseases. No differential gene expression signature was observed between Lyme disease patients with resolved illness to those with persistent symptoms at 6 months post-treatment” [2016] – this symptomless post treatment and persistent symptoms have the same gene expression — implying that it is not a persistent lyme bacteria!
  • “The attribution of chronic, non-specific symptoms to “chronic Lyme disease”, in the absence of specific evidence of ongoing B. burgdorferi infection, is inappropriate and unfortunate, leading not only to unneeded treatment and its associated complications, but also to missed opportunities for more appropriate management of patients’ often disabling symptoms.” [2016]
  • Lyme“: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome by Another Name? [2016]
  • Subjective health complaints are not associated with tick bites or antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato in blood donors in western Norway: a cross-sectional study. [2015]
  • “Patients with persistent symptoms possibly associated with Lyme disease often provide a challenge for clinicians. Recent studies have provided additional evidence that viable B. burgdorferi do not persist after conventional treatment with antimicrobials, indicating that ongoing symptoms in patients who received conventional treatment for Lyme disease should not be attributed to persistent active infection.” [2015]
  • Lyme Disease Diagnosed by Alternative Methods: A Phenotype Similar to That of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. [2015]
  • ” When these symptoms occur in patients with Lyme disease, they typically also subside after antimicrobial treatment, although this may take time. Chronic fatigue states have been reported to occur following any number of infections, including Lyme disease. The mechanism underlying this association is unclear, although there is no evidence in any of these infections that these chronic post treatment symptoms are attributable to ongoing infection with B. burgdorferi or any other identified organism. Available appropriately controlled studies indicate that additional or prolonged courses of antimicrobial therapy do not benefit patients with a chronic fatigue-like state after appropriately treated Lyme disease.” [2015]
  • ” Data do not support the proposition that chronic, treatment-refractory infection with Borrelia burgdorferi is responsible for the many conditions that get labeled as chronic Lyme disease. Prolonged symptoms after successful treatment of Lyme disease are uncommon, but in rare cases may be severe. Prolonged courses of antibiotics neither prevent nor ameliorate these symptoms and are associated with considerable harm.” [2015]

Many of researchers of the papers above were actively (optimistically!) looking for alternative evidence that Borrelia burgdorferi was still a player with Chronic Lyme. My read is simple, there is no clean evidence to deem Chronic Lyme to be different in any way the ME/CFS.  Most people have had one or more herpes virus in their life, a virus that can be re-activated and result in (false-)positive lab report for the classic Lyme Tests.

The belief in chronic lyme, like that of Occult Infections (Jadin, Pasteur Institute in the 1950’s) were all reasonable beliefs to explain what was observed. The key word is were. In my humble opinion, a simpler explanation is just “post infection syndrome” (with the specific infection having little consequence for the syndrome).  It is my belief, that post infection syndrome is a stable dysfunctional microbiome shift that results in similar chemicals being produced (causing the symptoms!!!) as when the infection was happening.

See How does CFS, IBS, Chronic Lyme Happen?

My wife just came in and said “But what about the family on … whose son had CFS for years, then got a Lyme diagnosis, was given antibiotics and recovered???!!!!” My answer, “That does not prove it was lyme, it only show that what ever caused “CFS/Chronic Lyme” was susceptible to the right antibiotics.” Antibiotics cause microbiome shifts — for the better or the worst, to sickness or health — with CFS, we have evidence of the shift of the microbiome and thus need to tailor antibiotics, herbal anti-bacterial, probiotics (which often produce antibiotics themselves!) to correct those shifts.

Is getting a Chronic Lyme diagnosis bad?

The answer is no – provided you can negotiate with your physician on which antibiotics to take. On my last remission, I knew what antibiotics I probably need to take — the problem is that with the concern over antibiotic-resistance, getting a physician to prescribe is almost impossible.  Where I live, naturopathic physician have the right to prescribe. I found one that worked with a Lyme MD, Marty Ross, and she (Dr.Iller, ND) was open to following a Jadin-like protocol of rotating antibiotics — however, she wanted to test for Lyme because if positive, it provided protection for her prescribing antibiotics. In short, she and I were “working the system”. I was positive for Lyme according to the labs.

The first two were minocycline and doxycycline. The improvement accelerated when I add Neem and Tulsi capsules (which impacts the overgrowth families that the prior antibiotics do not impact).

Officially, she was prescribing appropriate antibiotics for Lyme. I just spun the choices to deal with the microbiome shift reported for CFS — a win-win. Who was right? It does not really matter because what was important was the remission.

One of my classic lab tests to indicate CFS

The patient in my prior post was very kind and forwarded their Vitamin D charts which are shown below. The classic fingerprint for CFS is high 1,25D  — why is unclear. I suspect that it may be due to the dysfunction microbiome but I have not found any studies exploring that. Also note, that 1,25D can go up when 25D goes down.

  • 25D is reserves — the amount of oil stored in refineries.
  • 1,25D is active  — the amount of pollution being produced by cars burning oil.
Vitamin 25D Vitamin 1-25D
25D 125D

If you do not have high 1,25D and a normal SPECT scan — get a second (or third) opinion about whether you have CFS. IMHO, there is a good chance that you have another condition! See Lazy Diagnosis, You have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

A Review of a Patients Labs with Suggestions

A correspondent shared much of their medical history and lab tests with me. They were discouraged with the failure to get remission. One of their key physicians is well respected by me, in other words, they have had world-class treatment already. The following is a review with suggestions to be discussed with knowledgeable medical professional.

Diagnosis: Chronic Lyme

Tick bite happened 5 years ago. They have done rotations of antibiotics that included:

Diagnosis includes coxellia ricketsia.

Analysis

There are three families of overgrowth, the first three antibiotics only effect just one of these families (see my chart). The last one appears to reduce at least two of the families that are under growths. If the symptoms are due to a microbiome shift (and not an actual lyme infection), then there is a strong need to add appropriate probiotics.

Lab Tests – Abnormalities

  • Borrelia burgdorferi Fully Antigen: 10x the detection value
  • Candida Albicans: positive
  • Magnesium: Low
  • Epstein Barr: 2x the detection value
  • C Reactive Protein: 3x the detection value
  • Cytomegalovirus Antibodies IgM: 3x the detection value
  • Vitamin D (25-OH): low, 18 ng/mL, normal range 30-100 ng/mL
  • Immunoglobulin E: 3x the detection level
  • Iron Saturation: low, 15%, normal range 25-45

Analysis

The first action should be raising Vitamin D. See these earlier posts:

The target value is 90-100 ng/mL (200-250 nmol/L). Assuming 60 kg (130 lbs), this means some 450,000 IU of vitamin D3 needs to taken for a normal healthy person. At 15,000 IU/day — it will take 30 days, At 10,000 IU/day – 45 days.

If the person is 20% heavier, than it would take 20% more days (36 days and 54 days). Note that I said normal healthy. There is evidence suggesting that CFS patients may absorb vitamin D at a rate as low as 50% of healthy individuals. This means that after 1-2 month of high dosages, vitamin D needs to be measure again to see how much increase actually happened and the dosage adjusted.

Magnesium

For Magnesium supplements, see this Magnesium and Malic Acid post.  Supplement with Magnesium Malate (if available). It is likely low because bifidobacterium is the usual bacteria that extracts it — and that is low in CFS patients.

C-Reactive Protein

This can be lowered by taking a probiotic, see my Align – Bifidobacterium infantis 35624 – a demonstrated probiotic for IBS post. “ Achieving 25(OH)D ≥ 75 nmol/l was accompanied by higher circulating LL-37, higher QoL scores and reduced CRP.” [2015]”

Alpha Lipoic Acid also reduces CRP levels (by about 19% in studies [2012]) and improves blood flow.

EBV, CMV and/or Lyme???

The labs show positive for EBV and cytomegalovirus really raise the question of a false-positive for Lyme.

  • “False-positive results of serological tests for Lyme disease have been reported in cases of recent primary infection with varicella-zoster virus [1,2], Epstein-Barr virus [3,4], and cytomegalovirus [3]. We report the first association of false-positive results of serological testing for Lyme disease with infection due to another of the herpesviruses, herpes simplex virus (HSV) type 2.” [2005]

My preferred reading is this: we know that we never get rid of a virus infection. Our immune system normally keep them in control. When the microbiome is disrupted, this control can be lost.

Supplements

The supplements reported include:

  • VSL#3,
  • Pro5 Protein Powder,
  • vitamin B12,
  • vitamin complex of group B ( jarrow formula) ,
  • zinc ,
  • iron,
  • magnesium malate ,
  • ubiquinol ,
  • omega3 ,
  • burbur ,
  • milk thistle ,
  • b6 ,
  • glutamine ,
  • alpha lipoic acid

Recommended Changes

  • Vitamin D3 – 15,000 IU/day
  • Check the dosage for magnesium malate against my earlier post, and increase the dosage if it is not at least the level reported in PubMed studies
  • Stop the VSL#3 when you finish you your current supply, use Prescript Assist instead
  • Add Align (Bifidobacterium infantis 35624)
  • Examine the list of probiotics on me-pedia and rotate to different ones when you finish a bottle or a box (hint: never buy two boxes or bottles, just one and then use it all up and rotate to the next one)
  • Start using Tulsi Tea or capsule supplements
  • Rotate capsules of the “0” and “1” herbs listed on the herb list.

D-Ribose producing bacteria

D-ribose supplementation helping CFS/FM is likely because natural production by the body is reduced. “By the body” often means by the microbiome. For example a body that produces not enough B-12, is because it is low in L. Reuteri that makes the B12.

So what bacteria makes D-Ribose? What I have been able to find via PubMed are:

See also these posts

Bacillus Subtilis

“Cultures of B. subtilis were popular worldwide before the introduction of antibiotics as an immunostimulatory agent to aid treatment of gastrointestinal and urinary tract diseases” [wikipedia]

  • “We examined two commercial B. subtilis probiotic preparations, Enterogermina and Biosubtyl. Surprisingly, physiological and genetic characterization of the bacteria contained in each of these preparations has shown that neither contains B. subtilis….. instead Bacillus species that are closely (Biosubtyl) and distantly (Enterogermina) related to B. subtilis. ” [1999]
  • “Bacillus subtilis is used to produce many antibiotics, such as difficidin, oxydifficidin, bacilli, bacillomyin B, and Bacitracin,…Bacillus subtilis is also used as a fungicide” [Probiotic.org]

Sources

While there are studies of d-ribose and CFS (positive results), there are none for bacillus subtilis. I could not find a single strain/species probiotics (excluding those cited above). The production amount of ribose is strain specific. What does contain some are:

  • Prescript Assist – effective for IBS
  • Threelac Probiotic on Amazon (60 packages for $42) – bacillus coagulans, bacillus subtilis and enterococcus faecalis  – no studies on PubMed
  • Update: Unpasturized doenjang (Korean f0od), available on Amazon.
  • Natto, a Japanese dessert food! – I do eat this, originally as a source of nattokinease, but now I have a second reason for eating it!!

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Last, it should be mention that it is also called hay bacillus or grass bacillus because that is where it is very often found. A hundred years ago, when most of the population lived on farms, people would have gotten a rich supply of this. In today’s world, there is a greatly reduced exposure to hay or grass (and thus the bacteria).