Bacteria Shifts that are Statistically Significant for ME/CFS

The process is very simple, for a condition like ME/CFS, we compute the expected number of samples reporting this bacteria (based on people without Long COVID) and compare it to the actual number seen. This can be used to compute a statistical value called Chi-Square (χ²), This is then used to compute the chance of it happening at random. This is possible because we have over 3600 samples from some labs and thus able to detect things better.

Actual example:

  • Prevotella denticola – Species reported by Ombre
    • Expected to see 3.6
    • Actually seen 27
  • In other words almost 4x more common than expected. The probability is
    • 4.9E-34
    • or 1 chance in 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of happening at random.
  • This suggests that we should reduce it to remedy ME/CFS [with the other bacteria involved]

Biomesight and Ombre identifies bacteria using different methodologies so often give different names and amounts. For background on this lack of standardization, see The taxonomy nightmare before Christmas…

The data below is for samples marked with “Official Diagnosis: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS/ME)

For Long COVID, see this post.

Unlike some conditions shown below, it is not just one bacteria involved but combinations.

  • Peptic ulcer disease: Helicobacter pylori
  • Tetanus: Clostridium tetani
  • Typhoid fever: Salmonella typhi
  • Diphtheria: Corynebacterium diphtheriae
  • Syphilis: Treponema pallidum
  • Cholera: Vibrio cholerae
  • Leprosy: Mycobacterium leprae
  • Tuberculosis: Mycobacterium tuberculosis
  • Sinusitis: Corynebacterium tuberculostearicum

Ombre Data

We have 10 bacteria that are too low and some 67 that are too high. Six of the 10 that are too low should be available as probiotics (conceptually), but only B.Bifidum is.

  • Bifidobacterium asteroides
  • Bifidobacterium bifidum
  • Bifidobacterium bombi
  • Bifidobacterium commune
  • Bifidobacterium magnum
  • Bifidobacterium thermacidophilum

In the too high group are some familiar names: Rickettsia (Cecile Jadin’s protocol) and spotted fever group.

Bacteria Name RankExpectedObservedShiftProb
Anaerococcus murdochiispecies22.140Too High0.000134
Anaerococcus octaviusspecies23.236Too High0.00785
Anaerococcus senegalensisspecies21.634Too High0.007766
Bacteroides fluxusspecies82.2111Too High0.001504
Bacteroides thetaiotaomicronspecies95.6122Too High0.006947
Bifidobacterium asteroidesspecies50.328Too Low0.004406
Bifidobacterium bifidumspecies76.349Too Low0.002295
Bifidobacterium bombispecies80.844Too Low0.000136
Bifidobacterium communespecies56.830Too Low0.000581
Bifidobacterium magnumspecies73.046Too Low0.002755
Bifidobacterium thermacidophilumspecies53.831Too Low0.004352
Campylobactergenus54.074Too High0.006445
Campylobacter hominisspecies26.843Too High0.001707
Campylobacteraceaefamily54.876Too High0.004245
Campylobacteralesorder61.683Too High0.006328
Desulfarculaceaefamily24.940Too High0.002442
Desulfarculalesorder24.940Too High0.002442
Desulfarculiaclass26.240Too High0.00692
Desulfocarbogenus14.826Too High0.003442
Desulfocarbo indianensisspecies14.626Too High0.002722
Desulfoglaebagenus27.842Too High0.007259
Desulfoglaeba alkanexedensspecies27.442Too High0.005339
Desulfovibrio legalliispecies32.548Too High0.006443
Desulfovibrio pigerspecies35.953Too High0.004287
Dialister pneumosintesspecies14.827Too High0.001445
Emticiciagenus19.333Too High0.001758
Emticicia sediminisspecies8.421Too High1.52E-05
Enormagenus22.435Too High0.007472
Enorma massiliensisspecies22.435Too High0.007472
Enterorhabdusgenus69.645Too Low0.004671
Epsilonproteobacteriaclass62.784Too High0.007016
Ezakiellagenus44.763Too High0.006216
Flavobacteriaceaefamily75.198Too High0.008138
Halanaerobialesorder78.454Too Low0.005779
Hallellagenus34.460Too High1.30E-05
Hallella bergensisspecies17.539Too High2.77E-07
Hallella multisaccharivoraxspecies26.245Too High0.000235
Holdemania massiliensisspecies55.275Too High0.00788
Hoylesella buccalisspecies75.1105Too High0.000552
Hoylesella loescheiispecies34.351Too High0.004268
Hoylesella marshiispecies15.630Too High0.000268
Hoylesella nanceiensisspecies30.448Too High0.001467
Humidesulfovibriogenus29.949Too High0.000497
Humidesulfovibrio idahonensisspecies27.847Too High0.000281
Hungateiclostridiaceaefamily78.0106Too High0.001492
Insolitispirillumgenus31.046Too High0.007226
Insolitispirillum peregrinumspecies30.446Too High0.004822
Leptolineagenus14.426Too High0.002277
Leptolinea tardivitalisspecies13.524Too High0.004247
Parabacteroides johnsoniispecies51.070Too High0.007925
Paraprevotella xylaniphilaspecies25.042Too High0.000677
Parvimonasgenus29.752Too High4.33E-05
Parvimonas micraspecies29.752Too High4.33E-05
Pedobactergenus36.353Too High0.005472
Peptoniphilus lacrimalisspecies34.651Too High0.005246
Persicobacteraceaefamily12.124Too High0.000587
Phocaeicola salanitronisspecies105.9136Too High0.003396
Porphyromonas asaccharolyticaspecies33.851Too High0.003157
Porphyromonas endodontalisspecies25.740Too High0.004944
Prevotella dentasinispecies6.829Too High1.25E-17
Prevotella denticolaspecies4.227Too High1.35E-28
Prolixibacteraceaefamily20.733Too High0.006663
Propioniferaxgenus23.242Too High9.45E-05
Propioniferax innocuaspecies22.842Too High5.61E-05
Rickettsiagenus21.036Too High0.001101
Rickettsia honeispecies14.828Too High0.000569
Segatella bryantiispecies24.539Too High0.003287
Segatella maculosaspecies33.255Too High0.000161
Segatella orisspecies22.238Too High0.000807
Segatella paludivivensspecies32.954Too High0.000245
Senegalimassilia anaerobiaspecies54.034Too Low0.006868
Slackia piriformisspecies56.529Too Low0.00048
spotted fever groupspecies group17.932Too High0.000907
Tindalliagenus14.826Too High0.003442
unclassified Burkholderialesfamily20.933Too High0.008034
unclassified Clostridialesfamily77.1106Too High0.000984
Using Ombre Data

Biomesight Data

We have more data from Biomesight which means better (more) detection of significant bacteria.

As above, we have 12 bacteria that are too low and 116 bacteria that are too high. We have only 2 Bifidobacterium identified with only one available as a probiotic

  • Bifidobacterium adolescentis
  • Bifidobacterium cuniculi

We see that Lactobacillus is too high. This agrees with brain fog being caused by over production of d-lactic acid.

  • Lactobacillus acidophilus
  • Lactobacillus iners

We also see these two are high that are commonly associated to issues:

  • Streptococcus agalactiae
  • Streptococcus mutans
Tax_NameTax_RankExpectedObservedShiftProbability
[Actinobacillus] rossiispecies119.189Too Low0.005858
[Pasteurella] aerogenes-[Pasteurella] mairii-[Actinobacillus] rossii complexspecies group119.189Too Low0.005858
Absiellagenus29.856Too High1.52E-06
Acetobacteraceaefamily103.7131Too High0.007414
Acholeplasma hippikonspecies73.9110Too High2.63E-05
Actinobacillusgenus176.6134Too Low0.004701
Actinobacillus pleuropneumoniaespecies61.635Too Low0.00299
Actinobacillus porcinusspecies133.999Too Low0.003018
Adlercreutzia equolifaciensspecies189.7227Too High0.006755
Aggregatibactergenus82.349Too Low0.000912
Alcanivoracaceaefamily37.354Too High0.006427
Alcanivoraxgenus37.354Too High0.006427
Amedibacillusgenus196.8235Too High0.006495
Amedibacillus dolichusspecies197.1235Too High0.006912
Anaerococcusgenus126.4157Too High0.006444
Anaerococcus hydrogenalisspecies39.158Too High0.002475
Anaerococcus prevotiispecies21.136Too High0.001188
Anaerococcus tetradiusspecies29.659Too High6.37E-08
Anaerococcus vaginalisspecies63.687Too High0.003269
Anaerofustisgenus54.376Too High0.003316
Anaerofustis stercorihominisspecies53.074Too High0.003981
Arthrobactergenus27.743Too High0.003655
Bifidobacterium adolescentis strain102.463Too Low0.001744
Bifidobacterium cuniculispecies64.938Too Low0.007829
Bifidobacterium ruminantiumspecies14.830Too High7.46E-05
Caloramator viterbiensisspecies19.037Too High3.60E-05
Campylobacter ureolyticusspecies38.056Too High0.003481
Cetobacteriumgenus17.729Too High0.007331
Cetobacterium cetispecies13.728Too High0.000115
Chlorobaculum limnaeumspecies8.622Too High4.66E-06
Clostridium cadaverisspecies106.5140Too High0.001155
Collinsella tanakaeispecies43.862Too High0.005945
Corynebacteriaceaefamily133.0164Too High0.007125
Corynebacteriumgenus133.0164Too High0.007125
Corynebacterium amycolatumspecies20.636Too High0.000675
Corynebacterium glucuronolyticumspecies10.421Too High0.001029
Corynebacterium pyruviciproducensspecies12.723Too High0.003812
Corynebacterium xerosisspecies14.825Too High0.007807
Dehalobacteriumgenus124.4159Too High0.001898
Dehalococcoidaceaefamily11.923Too High0.00124
Dehalococcoidalesorder11.923Too High0.00124
Dehalococcoidiaclass11.923Too High0.00124
Dehalogenimonasgenus11.923Too High0.00124
Dehalogenimonas lykanthroporepellensspecies11.323Too High0.000539
Desulfonatronovibriogenus44.262Too High0.007398
Desulfonatronovibrionaceaefamily43.362Too High0.004437
Desulfovibrio psychrotoleransspecies19.837Too High0.000109
Dethiobacteraceaefamily47.877Too High2.50E-05
Dethiobacteralesorder47.877Too High2.50E-05
Dethiobacteriaclass47.877Too High2.50E-05
Dyadobactergenus77.6103Too High0.003878
Eggerthella sinensisspecies133.2167Too High0.003441
Erysipelothrix inopinataspecies42.562Too High0.002739
Ethanoligenensgenus158.8205Too High0.000248
Eubacterium limosumspecies27.242Too High0.00458
Facklamiagenus21.234Too High0.005361
Filifactor alocisspecies35.154Too High0.001384
Finegoldia magnaspecies112.9143Too High0.004643
Halanaerobiaceaefamily56.278Too High0.003557
Halanaerobialesorder61.283Too High0.005272
Halanaerobiumgenus56.278Too High0.003557
Haploplasmagenus13.931Too High4.32E-06
Haploplasma cavigenitaliumspecies13.931Too High4.32E-06
Heliorestis baculataspecies17.430Too High0.002634
Hungateiclostridiaceaefamily45.471Too High0.000143
Hungateiclostridiumgenus45.271Too High0.000124
Hyphomicrobiumgenus39.858Too High0.004009
Hyphomicrobium aestuariispecies34.051Too High0.003635
Hyphomonadaceaefamily16.929Too High0.003196
Hyphomonadalesorder16.929Too High0.003196
Isoalcanivoraxgenus35.552Too High0.005689
Isoalcanivorax indicusspecies31.152Too High0.000184
Lactobacillus acidophilusspecies18.832Too High0.002356
Lactobacillus inersspecies17.332Too High0.000436
Legionella shakespeareispecies67.091Too High0.003402
Levilactobacillusgenus12.225Too High0.000263
Listeriaceaefamily178.9215Too High0.006915
Luteolibactergenus127.8159Too High0.005844
Luteolibacter algaespecies126.9158Too High0.005805
Mannheimiagenus134.7102Too Low0.004859
Mannheimia caviaespecies128.797Too Low0.005142
Meiothermusgenus78.6103Too High0.005964
Meiothermus granaticiusspecies77.3101Too High0.007138
Mobiluncusgenus31.752Too High0.0003
Mogibacterium vescumspecies57.694Too High1.64E-06
Nannocystineaesuborder23.036Too High0.006465
Olivibacter terraespecies12.122Too High0.004168
Paenibacillus filicisspecies22.938Too High0.001632
Pasteurellaceae incertae sedisno rank119.189Too Low0.005858
Pediococcusgenus166.2208Too High0.00119
Pediococcus argentinicusspecies17.931Too High0.002047
Peptoniphilus asaccharolyticusspecies116.8148Too High0.003873
Peptostreptococcus stomatisspecies52.073Too High0.003541
Porphyromonas asaccharolyticaspecies70.2101Too High0.000234
Prosthecobactergenus32.754Too High0.000194
Prosthecobacter fluviatilisspecies18.133Too High0.00045
Rhizobiaceaefamily80.9105Too High0.007378
Roseomonasgenus22.338Too High0.000867
Roseospiragenus54.978Too High0.0018
Ruminiclostridium cellulolyticumspecies107.1135Too High0.007053
Segatella paludivivensspecies72.945Too Low0.001097
Slackia faecicanisspecies98.6128Too High0.003086
Sporosarcinagenus47.969Too High0.00235
Sporosarcina pasteuriispecies46.969Too High0.001278
Streptococcus agalactiaespecies11.923Too High0.00124
Streptococcus mutansspecies31.751Too High0.0006
Thauera terpenicaspecies20.633Too High0.006179
Thermaceaefamily94.7125Too High0.001859
Thermalesorder94.7125Too High0.001859
Thermoanaerobactergenus78.4102Too High0.007565
Thermodesulfatatorgenus22.742Too High5.03E-05
Thermodesulfatator atlanticusspecies22.742Too High5.03E-05
Thermodesulfatatoraceaefamily27.542Too High0.005627
Thermodesulfobacteriaclass22.742Too High5.03E-05
Thermodesulfobacteriaceaefamily22.742Too High5.03E-05
Thermodesulfobacterialesorder22.742Too High5.03E-05
Thermosediminibacteraceaefamily14.226Too High0.001847
Thermovenabulumgenus14.226Too High0.001847
Thermovenabulum ferriorganovorumspecies14.226Too High0.001847
Thermusgenus28.543Too High0.006576
Thiocapsagenus75.7104Too High0.001154
unclassified Burkholderialesfamily15.229Too High0.000429
Vagococcus teuberispecies47.066Too High0.005467
Varibaculumgenus47.573Too High0.000214
Varibaculum cambriensespecies19.332Too High0.003695
Winkiagenus11.023Too High0.000324
Winkia neuiispecies11.023Too High0.000324

uBiome

While the company no longer exists, we have a significant number of samples from them.

As above, we have Lactobacillus crispatus being too high. We have just 2 bacteria being too low and 96 being too high.

Tax_NameTax_RankExpectedObservedShiftProbability
Acetitomaculumgenus24.444Too High7.07E-05
Acholeplasmatalesorder10.021Too High0.000503
Actinomyces sp. 2002-2301122species14.425Too High0.00497
Aggregatibactergenus42.224Too Low0.005171
Alistipes indistinctusspecies62.890Too High0.000602
Alistipes sp. NML05A004species81.8111Too High0.001227
Alistipes sp. RMA 9912species13.725Too High0.002304
Anaerococcus murdochiispecies30.556Too High3.93E-06
Anaeroplasmataceaefamily22.838Too High0.00148
Anaeroplasmatalesorder23.139Too High0.000914
Archaeasuperkingdom39.773Too High1.32E-07
Atopobiumgenus17.830Too High0.00374
Bacteroides eggerthiispecies30.552Too High9.98E-05
Bacteroides sp. 35AE37species66.092Too High0.00139
Bacteroides sp. XB12Bspecies39.766Too High3.10E-05
Blautia stercorisspecies37.255Too High0.003458
Butyricimonasgenus88.4114Too High0.006407
Butyricimonas faecihominisspecies57.779Too High0.005005
Butyricimonas sp. 214-4species53.875Too High0.003921
Butyricimonas virosaspecies42.362Too High0.002455
Caldicoprobactergenus23.939Too High0.001957
Caldicoprobacteraceaefamily44.268Too High0.00034
Campylobacter hominisspecies27.942Too High0.007781
Campylobacter ureolyticusspecies24.441Too High0.000762
Catenibacteriumgenus57.980Too High0.003678
Christensenella minutaspecies23.136Too High0.007121
Cloacibacillusgenus19.838Too High4.36E-05
Cloacibacillus evryensisspecies14.731Too High2.24E-05
Coprobacter secundusspecies32.853Too High0.000426
Corynebacterium diphtheriaespecies11.521Too High0.005334
Corynebacterium sp. 713182/2012species16.227Too High0.006945
Desulfovibriogenus72.697Too High0.004103
Desulfovibrio sp. 3_1_syn3species9.030Too High2.23E-12
Dialister micraerophilusspecies9.624Too High3.85E-06
Dialister propionicifaciensspecies41.058Too High0.008017
Dialister sp. S7MSR5species16.829Too High0.002792
Eubacteriumgenus27.246Too High0.000305
Euryarchaeotaphylum39.773Too High1.32E-07
Fibrobactergenus14.927Too High0.001656
Fibrobacteraceaefamily24.147Too High3.08E-06
Fibrobacteralesorder32.661Too High6.22E-07
Fibrobacteriaclass32.661Too High6.22E-07
Fibrobacterotaphylum32.661Too High6.22E-07
Gelriagenus37.665Too High7.75E-06
Granulicatella adiacensspecies69.545Too Low0.006077
Herbaspirillumgenus46.772Too High0.000218
Herbaspirillum seropedicaespecies39.062Too High0.000225
Hespelliagenus96.4123Too High0.006732
Hoylesella timonensisspecies23.440Too High0.000577
Hungateiclostridiaceaefamily26.443Too High0.001246
Hydrogenoanaerobacteriumgenus40.664Too High0.000246
Lactobacillus crispatusspecies26.140Too High0.006759
Lentisphaeriaclass53.675Too High0.003432
Lentisphaerotaphylum53.675Too High0.003432
Methanobacteriaclass37.473Too High6.10E-09
Methanobacteriaceaefamily37.473Too High6.10E-09
Methanobacterialesorder37.473Too High6.10E-09
Methanobrevibactergenus36.971Too High2.03E-08
Methanobrevibacter smithiispecies36.466Too High9.34E-07
Methanomada groupclade37.473Too High6.10E-09
Mollicutesclass30.049Too High0.00052
Murdochiellagenus42.265Too High0.000434
Mycoplasmatotaphylum30.049Too High0.00052
Opitutiaclass16.433Too High4.20E-05
Oxalobacteraceaefamily47.773Too High0.000257
Parabacteroides johnsoniispecies18.834Too High0.000451
Parasporobacterium paucivoransspecies16.229Too High0.001388
Parvibactergenus14.133Too High4.82E-07
Parvibacter caecicolaspecies12.329Too High1.95E-06
Peptococcusgenus71.8100Too High0.000867
Peptoniphilus lacrimalisspecies30.346Too High0.004193
Porphyromonas sp. 2024bspecies12.729Too High4.76E-06
Propionibacteriaceaefamily18.831Too High0.004859
Propionibacterialesorder18.831Too High0.004859
Puniceicoccalesorder16.233Too High2.76E-05
Robinsoniellagenus30.350Too High0.00033
Robinsoniella sp. KNHs210species22.637Too High0.002366
Staphylococcaceaefamily38.557Too High0.002786
Staphylococcusgenus38.257Too High0.00235
Synergistaceaefamily41.872Too High2.96E-06
Synergistalesorder41.872Too High2.96E-06
Synergistiaclass41.872Too High2.96E-06
Synergistotaphylum41.872Too High2.96E-06
Thermoanaerobacteraceaefamily37.765Too High8.62E-06
Thermoanaerobacteralesorder39.766Too High3.10E-05
unclassified Butyricimonasno rank53.177Too High0.001019
unclassified Desulfovibriono rank12.643Too High8.86E-18
unclassified Finegoldiano rank31.847Too High0.006982
unclassified Phascolarctobacteriumno rank11.523Too High0.000738
unclassified Porphyromonasno rank24.438Too High0.005801
unclassified Prevotellano rank9.621Too High0.000258
unclassified Robinsoniellano rank22.637Too High0.002366
unclassified Staphylococcusno rank26.443Too High0.001246
Varibaculumgenus48.570Too High0.001966
Varibaculum sp. CCUG 45114species36.154Too High0.002986
Victivallaceaefamily53.675Too High0.003432
Victivallalesorder53.675Too High0.003432
Victivallisgenus53.175Too High0.002607

Bottom Line

In terms of probiotics, there are two that should be considered:

  • Bif. Bifidum
  • Bif. Adolescentis

And all Lactobacillus probiotics avoided.

The above information will be eventually integrated into Microbiome Prescription suggestions expert system. The purpose is to first identify the bacteria of concern.

The following bacteria were reported by 2 or 3 of the above

Aggregatibactergenus
Anaerococcus murdochiispecies
Campylobacter hominisspecies
Campylobacter ureolyticusspecies
Halanaerobialesorder
Hungateiclostridiaceaefamily
Parabacteroides johnsoniispecies
Peptoniphilus lacrimalisspecies
Porphyromonas asaccharolyticaspecies
Segatella paludivivensspecies
unclassified Burkholderialesfamily
Varibaculumgenus

An Affordable Smartwatch for ME/CFS?

Recently I have seen advertisements for smart watches for ME/CFS. The price would be challenging for many people. I suspect that it also has a poor return for the costs.

This post is about the watch family that my wife and I have been using for a few years. The current version is below. On occasion, I have seen the price under $20.00

People who know me, knows that I prefer to work off objective data – for example microbiome test results, or actual physical measurements. This watch has empowered me. It can do automatic measurements every 10 minutes for day long monitoring.

What do I get with this watch?

You get an overview of the many measurements on a dashboard on your smart phone.

Steps per day

Sleep

Sleep is often a challenge. My wife found that some supplements improves her sleep and others do not. This changes decision making from being subjective to objective.

Body Temperature

As is common with ME/CFS people in general, I continue to have sub-normal temperatures. I notice that there is often a temperature spike while I sleep.

Blood Pressure

As often happens with ME/CFS, there can be low blood pressure as well as POTS.

Blood Oxygen

My variant of ME/CFS had coagulation being a factor. This can result in hypoxia (low oxygen levels) causing cognitive issues.

Blood Glucose

Blood Components

Heart Rate

HRV

Heart rate variability (HRV) is a measure of how much time varies between heartbeats. It’s a physiological marker of heart health and the autonomic nervous system (ANS). HRV can be used to assess physical and mental health, and to help diagnose diseases. 

How HRV is measured 

  • HRV is measured in milliseconds
  • A device is needed to measure the variation in time between heartbeats
  • Wearable devices can be used to monitor HRV

What HRV indicates

  • A high HRV indicates a healthy heart that can respond quickly to changes in the body 
  • A low HRV is associated with an increased risk of disease and death 
  • HRV can indicate activation of the parasympathetic nervous system (PSNS), which is associated with relaxation and good health 
  • HRV can indicate activation of the sympathetic nervous system (SNS), which is associated with stress and ill health 

ECG Details

Heart Issues are frequently seen with ME/CFS. See The Heart and Blood of the CFS Patient

Overall Report

For example, I need to drink more water, etc.

Bottom Line

For less than $30, you get a lot of good information to act upon.

Questions

  • Are the measurements accurate? In terms of being absolutely accurate — no. They appear to accurate for relative measurements: for example blood pressure. Items like skin color are known to impact accuracy of most optical sensors.
  • How can it measure glucose? In terms of APPROVED FDA devices. There are no such devises for sale in the US. It is made in China (using the same type of sensors used in Apple, Google, FitBit, Samsung watches) and directly imported into the US “for personal use”, thus no FDA approval is needed. The FDA approval process is skipped and features available sooner.
  • As always “buyer beware” — test it against “approved clinical grade devices” for measurements of significant concern. I have found that it seems very accurate for relative changes.

Statistically Significant Bacteria shifts seen in ME/CFS

Statistics is fun because there many paths. Most studies using the microbiome uses the easy, but naïve, path of computing averages and standard deviation. As my dataset has grown, I have been travelling some less traveled path, for example: Visual Exploration of Odds Ratios, and a patent pending method termed “Kaltoft-Moltrup”.

One of the frequent decisions that I see in studies is to limit examination of bacteria that have a high frequency in the samples. This allows the researchers to keep to familiar and classic statistics. Using frequency of observation in the control group and the condition group is one of these much less travelled paths. It usually require big sample sizes and many studies have a sample size of 30 (sufficient for the mean and standard deviation approach).

I just completed code to compute Chi2 using Biomesight data for users reporting ME/CFS.

  • Total Population: 3525
  • ME/CFS: 280

Chi2 can be converted to probability (p) of happening at random with the following table

Seen too Rarely(Want to increase)

We see one bacteria available as a probiotic Bifidobacterium adolescentis. The rest would need to be altered by diet.

tax_nameTAX
RANK
Chi2ObservedExpectedShift
Segatella oulorumspecies13.91638Under-Represented
Bifidobacterium cuniculispecies10.83357Under-Represented
Brenneriagenus10.5112Under-Represented
Bifidobacterium adolescentis strain10.35077Under-Represented
Prevotella veroralisspecies10.3620Under-Represented
Aggregatibactergenus10.14672Under-Represented
Hoylesella shahiispecies10.11228Under-Represented
Segatella paludivivensspecies9.64064Under-Represented
Actinobacillus pleuropneumoniaespecies8.63354Under-Represented
Slackia heliotrinireducensspecies8.2820Under-Represented
Prevotella micansspecies8.1313Under-Represented
Actinobacillusgenus8123157Under-Represented
[Actinobacillus] rossiispecies7.179105Under-Represented
Pasteurellaceae incertae sedisno rank7.179105Under-Represented
[Pasteurella] aerogenes-[Pasteurella] mairii-[Actinobacillus] rossii complexspecies group7.179105Under-Represented
Aggregatibacter aphrophilusspecies7413Under-Represented
Mitsuokella multacidaspecies6.8312Under-Represented

Seen too Often (Want to decrease)

We see 118 bacteria over a Chi2 of 6.635 ( P < 0.01 or 1 change in 100 of being a false detection). The list below are for genus and higher taxonomy orders.

Tax NameRankChi2ObservedExpectedShift
Dethiobacteraceaefamily20.97545Over-Represented
Hungateiclostridiaceaefamily16.17145Over-Represented
Tepidimicrobiaceaefamily14.6167Over-Represented
unclassified Burkholderialesfamily12.62916Over-Represented
Corynebacteriaceaefamily11.2159123Over-Represented
Halanaerobiaceaefamily10.17654Over-Represented
Alcanivoracaceaefamily9.65335Over-Represented
Halanaerobialesorder9.68158Over-Represented
Desulfonatronovibrionaceaefamily9.15840Over-Represented
Acetobacteraceaefamily8.712496Over-Represented
Hyphomonadaceaefamily82918Over-Represented
Tissierellaceaefamily7.52011Over-Represented
Rhizobiaceaefamily7.19876Over-Represented
Nannocystineaesuborder6.93624Over-Represented
Rubritaleaceaefamily6.912499Over-Represented

Bottom Line

The next step is to compute similar tables for all symptoms and incorporate these findings into a new algorithm. I say new, because I do not know if it is better than the existing ones. Conceptually, it would be added as a 5th set of suggestions to the existing consensus view on Microbiome Prescription.

Visual Exploration of Odds Ratios

This is a “scribe notes” post. I am working on implementing odds ratio as a forecaster for ME/CFS and encountered some issues. In my work experience, this means taking a significant step backwards to look at the data better. I will look at the bacteria with a high frequency of being reported in tests first. The genus of greatest interest from preliminary work are:

  • Blautia
  • Faecalibacterium
  • Clostridium
  • Lachnospira
  • Streptococcus
  • Collinsella
  • Anaerostipes
  • Parabacteroides
  • Anaerotruncus
  • Bifidobacterium
  • Pseudobutyrivibrio

The data is from BiomeSight samples. The red line is what would be expected with no influence. The population percentile included those with ME/CFS. Removing them would increase the differences more (I went lazy).

Charts

Blautia

Lower levels are clearly significant.

Faecalibacterium

Lower levels are some significance.

Clostridium

Lower levels are clearly significant.

Lachnospira

Higher levels are some significance for low values.

Streptococcus

Does not appear to have much significance

Collinsella

Higher levels are some significance for below average values

Anaerostipes

Lower levels are significance for all values.

Parabacteroides

Does not appear to have much significance

Anaerotruncus
Lower levels are significance for all values.

Bifidobacterium

Higher levels are significance for all values.

Pseudobutyrivibrio

Higher levels are significance for all values.

Next Steps

We can visually see how bacteria is shifted for these genus. The challenge is converting it to a formula to forecast that cross validates. Stay tune.

ME/CFS: The Evils of Lactobacillus Probiotics?

A reader wrote me today with the following question

I read your article on microbial involvement, can you explain in more detail why you recommended cutting out Lactobacillus? If I interpreted your analysis, you said lactobacillus was rare in ME/CFS, doesn’t that mean increasing it could be beneficial? “..lactobacillus shows up barely in only one result..”.Meaning lactobacillus is rare for ME/CFS patients?

I meant that there is no clear evidence of a lactobacillus deficiency with ME/CFS patients microbiomes. There are reasons to believe that it may be harmful and helps maintain ME/CFS state.

History

I am a facts/study based individual that have been reading studies, conference reports since 1990’s. Back in 1999, on eGroups CFSFM-Experimental, taking probiotics were often suggested. Why? Because probiotics has been promoted as a cure-all for all conditions. A influencer snake oil. Reported results on CFSFM-Experimental were disappointing.

My mind proceeded logically. So ask the US National Library of Medicine (PubMed), “Which probiotics have been helpful for ME/CFS? Given that there were 2400 studies on ME/CFS then, I expected to find a few dozen by then — after all, it would likely be one of the first choices by naturopaths who would rush to publish their results!! There were none that used lactobacillus probiotics. Even today, we have just 32 studies mentioning “chronic fatigue syndrome” probiotics in the 8500 studies posted. [Sarcasm] “Surely, there would have been a rush with all of the ME/CFS specialists to use lactobacillus probiotics given all of this evidence”.

Being a scientist, I know that what gets published are positive results — not no result nor negative results.

Reading conference papers presented by specialist on ME Research UK, I came across a report of a conference panel by active practitioners where the consensus was no benefit. I have worked as a professional technical writer and very “phrasing aware”, I read the wording to indicate that probiotics likely did harm in some of their patients. Slamming probiotics tend to be view as a heresy with many health influencers.

There Appears No Significant Objective Evidence that lactobacillus helps!

Yes, you will find testimonials — but that is not objective evidence. They may have helped because the person did not have ME/CFS (self diagnosis) or a different condition. It is incomprehensible that there have not been dozens (or hundreds) of studies trying lactobacillus — studies that are unpublished because of unfavorable results.

Why may it be EVIL?

Again, conference papers from Australia’s Alison Hunter Memorial Foundation play an important role here. From the Way-Back machine I retrieved items no longer on their site and pasted it into 1998 Was a very good year…. The key finding was “The mean distribution of E.coli as percentage of the total aerobic microbial flora for the control subjects and CFS patients was 92.3% and 49% ” Not a little drop, but almost half the level!

NOTA BENA: The typical (cheap) 16s tests used for most modern microbiome studies effectively ignore E.Coli. Shotgun testing (much more expensive) finds E.Coli in almost every sample. Some 16s finds it in 1 in a thousand samples as shown by the table below. Modern studies not repeating these results is a direct consequence of their methodologies!!

This was the motivation for my trying Mutaflor Probiotics (E.Coli Nissle 1917) which I happen to have in the house because my wife has Crohn’s and it made a huge difference for her (with lots of studies reporting it too!!!). I had a severe Jarisch–Herxheimer reaction for two weeks and a rapid recovery from ME/CFS afterwards.

If you look at Odds Ratios for Metabolites and ME/CFS, you will see that E.Coli probiotics has the biggest impact on the metabolite imbalance with ME/CFS

Going over to the E.Coli page on Microbiome Prescription we see that Lactobacillus constantly reduces E.Coli. So we are moving from levels that are 50% of normal levels to even lower levels.

IMHO, for ME/CFS, Lactobacillus probiotics are EVIL

Yes there are a few lactobacillus that will help some symptoms (and likely make other symptoms worse). Unless you are very sure that it has the actual probiotic strain used in studies, don’t do it. See Probiotics — what is advertised may not be what you get.

IMHO, for brain fog, Lactobacillus probiotics are EVIL

Interesting study relative to ME/CFS and brain fog. Lactobacillus can trigger “thick blood”, decreasing oxygen delivery (hypo perfusion). The aggregation of human platelets by Lactobacillus species

This extends to a few other Conditions

Bottom line, checking for clinical studies if a probiotics clearly helps is recommended. This search engine may help.

Bifidobacterium also?

In Visual Exploration of Odds Ratios, we see that ME/CFS people have higher then general population amounts of Bifidobacterium. On the flip side, the average amount is reported lower on several studies. This compounds issues with several things that needs to be investigated.

  • Did the lower bifidobacterium count not found in their average as zero? We use the values only when detected. Looking at the dots, we see that the dots are sparse/rare for lower values suggesting a lower detection rate. This suggests a threshold behavior of bifidobacterium.

Looking at impact on E.Coli, we see most studies say that it decreases E.Coli

There is not enough data to come to a safe conclusion.