Treatments Odds of Remission

The same reader that asked about Biological Markers for CFS/ME, came back with a tougher question:

  • “Now- another huge ask- have you written a post on the efficacy of various treatments? “

The core problem is the need to have proper control studies — which can be a challenge to both design and do.  Often in reviews of the literature we will read issues like:

  • poorly controlled sample populations
  • too small sample size
  • different studies types – observational studies (STROBE), clinical trials (CONSORT), or diagnostic studies (STARD or QUADAS),

My Assumptions

First, in the lack of better information — take things at face value. Suspend prior-beliefs and disbelief.

In my 1999-2001 episode, I reviewed all of the literature at that time and found two treatments that asserted over 50% success rate in publications or in presentations.  I, with significant effort and patience, persuade my family practice physician to do both with me. These two treatments appear to be totally unrelated.

Rickettsia Protocol

This was resurrected by Cecile Jadin, a surgeon in South Africa, from attending meals with her father and his colleagues — they were researchers at the Pasteur Institute for Tropical diseases.

From her presentation at the Manly Conference (Australia): [Paper]

  • 3 – 24 months of treatment (appropriate antibiotics pulsed)
  • 8 months average
  • maintain an 84% to 96% recovery rate (using the records of three MDs using it)
    • Dr. CL Jadin – larger number than any below
    • Dr. Phillipe Bottero – 100 patients
    • Dr. Peter Tarbelton – 300 patients

Reality: Prescribing antibiotics per protocol will often place MDs in jeopardy with Medical Boards. I know of at least two that can no longer practise medicine because of this.

For an Actual Report see A reader report — 100% elimination of symptoms

Hemex Protocol

This was an accidental discovery by Dave Berg — who operated a speciality lab that dealt with testing for coagulation issues — typically for infertility due to Hughes Syndrome. He noted that many physicians using his lab mentions that patients with CFS reported their CFS symptoms disappeared while they were on low dosage heparin.

  • “At the American Association of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome meeting, we presented a retrospective study of 20 patients looking at a hypercoagulable state that could be reversed with anticoagulant therapies” [1999 Article]
  • “Dr. James Dey suggested that we do a retrospective study and even pulled out an abstract form for us for the American Association of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. So we went back and looked at from between April and October, 21 cases that would be considered truly Chronic Fatigue patients and in that process, how did they improve?, what were their improvements like or was it a placebo effect?, and out of 21 patients, 19 had moderate to very good improvement and the other 2 at least had some improvement. ” [1999 Transcript]
  • “In November, 1999, Dr. Joe Brewer (an Infectious Disease specialist in Kansas City) and I developed a model of pathogen activation of the immune and coagulation systems. The model proposes that the end result of such pathogenmediated activation is increased blood viscosity due to 1) an underlying coagulation regulatory protein defect, and 2) activation of the coagulation system by the pathogen. As the blood viscosity increases, the diminished blood flow creates hypoxia (lack of oxygen) and nutrient deprivation within various areas of the body. This is like trying to start your car in Wisconsin in the winter with 60- weight engine oil. This model explains the multi-organ symptomatology and also explains why the low dose heparin therapy is effective by increasing blood flow as the blood viscosity decreases. Thus, patients gain relief from their symptoms with this therapy.” [2000 Transcript]
  • Improvement: 90% or better

Reality: The full panel of inheritable coagulation defects testing is rarely covered by insurance. Most MDs will not prescribe heparin, instead, refer patients to hematologists. Hematologists will see no clear coagulation events (i.e. stroke) and deem heparin is not warranted.

Heparin is a key component of the Hemex protocol.

 

Fecal Matter Transplants

From 2016 Review Article because IBS is so often co-morbid, I include those statistics.

  • “fifty-patients with IBS and inflammatory bowel disease .. 36% remission, 16% subsided.”
  • 45 IBS cases with the complaint of chronic constipation.. 89% immediate recovery, 42% remained in remission after 18 month
  • 60 CFS cases .. 70% immediate… 58% remained in remission for > 15 years. 42% had remission disappear before 3 years.

Reality: In some countries (like the US), special permission must be obtained to do it.  Identifying appropriate donors is still an evolving art.

Rituximab Treatment

Øystein Fluge and Olav Mella of the Haukeland University Hospital in Bergen noticed its effect on CFS symptoms in 2004, when they used the drug to treat lymphoma in a person who happened to also have CFS.” – I have personally meet several people who went into remission from chemotherapy.

  • “repeated rituximab treatment can keep symptoms at bay for years”[2015]
  • 29 patients in study had 18 responders, remission over 3 years for 11.
    • 62% chance of responding, if you responded, 61% of it lasting 3 years

Wish List: There have been zero studies on how rituximab alters the microbiome 😦

Bottom Line

All of the above successes fit perfectly into the microbiome dysbiosis/dysfunction model — including hypercoagulation ( Gut-derived endotoxin stimulates factor VIII secretion from endothelial cells. Implications for hypercoagulability in cirrhosis 2017). and Purinergic signaling during intestinal inflammation (2017). “Heightened thrombosis, inflammation, and immune disturbances as seen in IBD appear to be associated with aberrant purinergic signaling.”

Two of the 4 items clearly alters the microbiome. One deals with the symptoms caused by the dysbiosis — and the last one, may alter the microbiome (very probable)

 

 

Biological markers for chronic fatigue syndrome

A reader wrote:

“This week on our ABC National TV, the head of a big city hospital’s chronic fatigue clinic stated that there are no biological markers for chronic fatigue, so the best treatment was graded exercise and CBT. Unfortunately his opinion is very powerful here in patients getting government funding for help.”

See this link: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-18/chronic-fatigue-treatments-set-for-review/10007356

Beware of demanding a marker for all!

For most conditions there are multiple markers, if a significant number shows up — then conventional medical practice is to assume that condition. CFS traditionally require X out of Y symptoms that persisted for 6 months with all probable conditions accounting for those symptoms being excluded. It is unreasonable to expect every mixture of symptoms to have the same biological markers.

Statistically Significant Biological Markers against Control Populations

  • Brain Scans:  See this post for citations from PubMed
    • Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
      • Abnormalities seen in 78% of EBV-associated CFS patients
    • Positron Emission Tomography (PET):
      • 50% of CFS patients show abnormal scans
    • Single-photon emission computerized tomography (SPECT)
      • 80% of CFS patients show abnormal scans
  • Hypercoagulation [2001]
    • 80% of patients had a hypercoaguable state
    • 83% of patients had a hereditary abnormality.
  • Microbiome (gut bacteria shifts)
    • “individuals were classified correctly as ME/CFS with a cross-validation accuracy of 82.93 %.” [See post for citations]
  • Review from 2012 (PubMed)
  • bio
  • Review from 2015
  • bio1
  • bio2

Bottom Line

There are multiple markers. If a suspected CFS patient is tested for 2 (hereditary coagulation abnormality and SPECT scan), the odds of both being negative appears to be 3%.

Treatment is a different question — my focus has been on microbiome shifts. Several readers have reported major improvement with this approach — some returning to work (with some symptoms remaining). Fecal Matter Transplants have repeatedly resulted in short term remission — rarely lasted more than 6 months with several readers who have shared their experiences.

Microbiome shifts cannot be resolved with eating yogurt, kefir or even 99% of health food stores probiotics. There are overgrowths that  need to reduced and undergrowths that need to be encouraged. At present, uBiome or thryve microbiome tests appear to be the best path forward — with end product production of the microbiome population appearing to be very significant for symptoms seen.

Why you react to some probiotics – some answers

A reader wrote today:

“I have been trying B. longum BB536 as I have read it lowers d lactate producers

Seems its helping gut function but giving hot flashes and some heart palps, wondering why?”

The light went on — I have just gotten a reasonable size of end-products relationships (5800). Perhaps we may be lucky and get some idea of what B.longum does.

So I have added end products to the bacteria detail pages. For example:

http://microbiomeprescription.com/Library/Details?taxon=216816&taxname=Bifidobacterium%20longum

And you will see at the bottom of the page:

End Products

  • ?-Amino butyric acid (GABA)
  • Biotin (Vitamin B7)
  • Folate (Vitamin B9)
  • Lactic acid
  • L-Tryptophan
  • Pyridoxine
  • Thiamine (Vitamin B1)
  • Urolithins

If I go to another probiotic, Lactobacillus acidophilus,  I see a different combination,

End Products

  • ?-Amino butyric acid (GABA)
  • Acetylcholine
  • Cobalamin (Vitamin B12)
  • Lactate
  • Lactic acid
  • Trimethylamine
  • Urolithins
  • Vitamin K

Or looking at my favorite Japanese probiotic,  Miyarisan (Clostridium butyricum)  we see here

End Products

  • Acetate
  • Butanol
  • Butyrate

And another Japanese one, Lactobacillus Casei

End Products

  • ?-Amino butyric acid (GABA)
  • Acetylcholine
  • Cobalamin (Vitamin B12)
  • Histamine
  • Lactate
  • Lactic acid
  • ß-Glucan
  • Trimethylamine
  • Urolithins

Bottom Line

This presents a very different way of looking at probiotics. If you have a low amount of an end product (or symptoms associated with a low amount), then you may wish to surf thru the probiotics listed (with other bacteria) here.

For more information on EndProduct determination from a uBiome or Thryve sample, see:

 

 

End Product Analysis Expanded

Over the last week, I have been expanding the end product analysis. The main reason is that the first iteration found very strong clustering of end products with patients that had certain symptoms.

A visual may help:

cluster

If you take all of the points and look at the red averages using the standard deviation of all of the points, it would not be significant.  If you took the red average and red standard deviation and compare to the average for all of the points — you will get statistical significance. Something that you can see visually above.

This post refers to the site: http://microbiomeprescription.com/ If you have a thryve or ubiome analysis, you can upload it there and get further analysis done.

Personal Comparison

I have added some new columns to the page for comparison to people reporting themselves as healthy.

ep0

As you can see above, you may have a very low or very high percentage and it is not deemed significant using the health population average and standard deviation.

If you go over to the symptom explorer, and  add in a symptom, i.e. Neurological-Sleep: Night Sweats , you will see discover some items are missing… for example: 2-Methyl-butanal and 2-Butanone

meh

You will also note that people with this condition are VERY LOW … having zero is not unexpected.

Bottom Line

There are now some 80 end products being reported now using more information about which bacteria produces each product.

This does not always give simple suggestions… in a few cases, it does — a specific Vitamin or amino acid is low. When dealing with high levels, that is more complex because it means killing off some bacteria 😦 .

 

Fixing suggestions issue with no Bifidobacterium or Lactobacillus

A reader query revealed a bug. The suggestions applies to what you have — if you have no lactobacillus or no bifidobacterium THEN there is no bacteria to modify!

I have just added code to add a ZERO (0) value if you have none reported. This will cause items to increase lactobacillus and bifidobacterium to be added to suggestions.